In message <AANLkTinvbCODXiCQHMcLoP7qG3Mh4388mRP1uEvvkRcF@mail.gmail.com>, Will iam Herrin writes:
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 3/11/2011 8:24 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- bill@herrin.us wrote: From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us>
No, it isn't. Contrary to mailing list best practices, NANOG unsubscribe information is stubbornly stashed in the email headers ----------------------------------------------
That's a feature. =A0Not a bug. =A0:-)
Actually, it's RFC 2369 =A0:)
Anyone have a list of MUAs that actually support RFC 2369 with subscription management widgets in the GUI? Surely someone has written one but I can't seem to find any documentation to that effect.
On the other hand, the very first guideline at http://www.mail-abuse.com/an_listmgntgdlines.html is: "Mailing list administrators must provide [...] clear and effective instructions for unsubscribing from a mailing list." Hidden in the headers is rather less than clear or effective.
Even that lightweight, the CAN-SPAM act, calls for each message to contain "clear and conspicuous notice of the opportunity [...] to decline to receive further" messages.
Headers are the ONLY way to do this so it works in all languages for all the planet. "Click here to unsubscribe" is a joke when it is written in a language you don't read. As for the CAN-SPAM act, it's also a joke. It doesn't require a pre-existing relationship where there is a chance the recipient can read the message.
-Bill
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