I'm afraid this is only slightly operational and limited to a subset of the NANOG crowd. I apologize profusely in advance for abusing the list as I might, but I can't think of a more suitable group of people to approach. I think the essence of the request is in line with the spirit of NANOG. As some of you know, I teach networking classes at DePaul University in Chicago. What has gone over extremely well in the past is when I've had a real op come talk to the students, even if its just about what they do on a daily basis. If any of you are in or around the Loop in Chicago area on a Wednesday night between September and November of this year and wouldn't mind getting up in front a few geeky undergrads, I would be forever grateful if you do so with my class. I'm not asking for anything polished. If you've presented something recently that you think a computer science undergrad should be able to grasp or even if just have enable, your future ops want you to tell them about it. ...and yes, many of the other instructors they come into contact with are focusing only on class A, B, C addressing. So you'll be doing the world a favor and maybe even me, by saying some things I'm not the only one saying to them before they interview circuit. Here's what things looked like last quarter to give you an idea of the general topics covered: <http://condor.depaul.edu/~jkristof/tdc375/> Thanks, John