PV> Date: 08 Feb 2004 22:46:17 +0000 PV> From: Paul Vixie PV> There is nothing wrong with a user who thinks they should not PV> have to know how to protect their computer from virus PV> infections. If we (the community who provides them service PV> and software) can't make it safe-by-default, then the problem PV> rests with us, not with the end users. Cool. I guess I'll quit locking doors, leave valuable items unsecured and unattended in plain sight, and generally rely on law enforcement to keep everything safe. It'll be more convenient and less effort for me. No? Perhaps all parties should do as much as is reasonable.[*] ISPs cannot block 100% of Internet nastiness. By no stretch of the imagination does this mean ISPs shouldn't try, but users need to take on some responsibility, too. [*] Fuzzy grey ideology. Yes, I know. Eddy -- EverQuick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.