Which distro is it that has dnsbl filtering on by default, and also defaulting to shady no name blocklists? I have yet to see a case where turning this sort of thing on first and kicking self later wasn't because of a clueless sysadmin. On Feb 13, 2015 7:36 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor@vocalabs.com> wrote:
Of course not, and I didn't mean to imply that they were.
I was surprised to see it still present *anywhere* (this was in a major Linux distribution, and may still be), and that hidden presence may be polluting data streams used by even the most responsible vendors unless they are running entirely self-contained.
On 02/12/2015 07:04 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
Please. Gmail isn't ever likely to use long dead hobbyist block lists.
On Feb 12, 2015 9:38 PM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor@vocalabs.com <mailto: dtaylor@vocalabs.com>> wrote:
Possibly related: http://www.ahbl.org/content/changes-ahbl
We had to manually remove it from spamassassin for our local installation, and I am pretty sure that a lot of sites still haven't figured it out so there's a lot of false positives being generated all over the place to throw off even filters that don't use it directly.
On 02/12/2015 09:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Mainly because I own it, and the people who use it. The server has been around 10+ years and has tight oversight. SPF is proper. This is a recent issue.
From: Scott Helms [mailto:khelms@zcorum.com <mailto:khelms@zcorum.com>] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:51 AM To: Alex Rubenstein Cc: Josh Luthman; NANOG list Subject: Re: gmail spam help
I'd be interested to know how you can be so adamant about the lack of spam from this specific server. A great percentage of the spam hitting servers I have visibility into comes from very similar kinds of set ups because they tend to have little or no over sight in place.
Also, lots of commercial email gets flagged as spam by users, even when they opted in for the email. If enough people flagged email from this server as spam it will cause Google to consider other email from the same small server as likely to be spam as well. Small systems, especially new ones, tend to unintentionally look like spam sources by not having proper reverse records, making sure you have SPF set up for the domain, etc.
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>>> wrote: I should have been clearer.
I have been getting complaints from my sales folks that when they send emails to people who use gmail (either a gmail account or google apps) that they recipient is reporting that the email is ending up in the Spam folder. So, I tested this myself, sending an email from alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>>> to rubenstein45@gmail.com <mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com><mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com <mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com>><mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com <mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com><mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com <mailto:rubenstein45@gmail.com>>>
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This is curious to me, since @corp.nac.net <http://corp.nac.net><http://corp.nac.net> is a small exchange implementation with only about 50 users behind it, and there is no question that there is no spamming going on from here.
So, it’s not a question of adding a filter or not using gmail; it is not me who is using gmail in this problem.
From: Josh Luthman [mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com><mailto:josh@ imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:josh@imaginenetworksllc.com>>] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 AM To: Alex Rubenstein Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: gmail spam help
Create a filter.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 12, 2015 8:11 AM, "Alex Rubenstein" <alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net><mailto:alex@corp.nac.net <mailto:alex@corp.nac.net>>>> wrote: Is there anyone on-list that can help me with a world -> gmail email issue, where email is being considering spam by gmail erroneously?
Thanks.
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