Why not standardize this across the board for all access devices? As an example if my Broadband provider was required to enter location information in my cable modem so that when I connected a VOIP device (ATA, IAD, PC, etc) it would query the first IP device it encountered and gather location data that would solve a lot of these problems. Any solution can be circumvented so no solution will be perfect, but this idea seems easy enough to accomplish with existing technology. It would even fix the VPN connection issue, unless the user was purposefully trying to obfuscate himself in which case I don't think we are necessarily concerned about his ability to contact emergency services. Shane -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Michael.Dillon@btradianz.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 7:22 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Vonage Selects TCS For VoIP E911 Service <snip> Maybe we should lobby government to require Wi-Fi access point manufacturers to include location information in their devices. After that, the VoIP operators and the Wi-Fi access operators should be able to sort out some protocol for sharing the location info. Welcome to the 21st century! They never said it was going to be easy. --Michael Dillon