Dear NANOG-ers,

Hope this email finds you in good health!

Please see my comments below, inline...

Le jeudi 6 juillet 2023, Owen DeLong via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> a écrit :









Karin,

Opinions regarding leasing vary throughout the industry. In my opinion, since the shift to provider assigned addresses during the CIDR efforts in the mid 1990s, the majority of addresses have been leased in one form or another. 

 

Hi Owen,

Thanks for your email, brother.

...do you mean that such activity was supported by

 a policy? or it was just a disruption of a principle 

which is fundamental; in order to guarantee that 

the common INRs (Internet Number Resources) 

are fairly distributed and not easily stockpilled? 

The only thing novel here is the leasing of addresses independent of connectivity services. 

So! it's a leasing of something not owned? and it 

became worse with the idea of Monkey(ing it)-In-

The-middle (MITM)...

What's the difference, please?

Are you trying to change a definition, in order to 

convince this community that this sad practice 

was started at the very beginning of the INRs  distribution?

What's your understanding of "need-based"?

Why are they stocking INRs without any need to 

properly use it?

...imho! the waiting list would be less longer with 

those INRs withing the free pools.

 

However, once the RIRs and their communities normalized the sale of addresses through directed transfer policies, I think this was an 

Any RIR's policy you can share, to support your say?

 

inevitable next step in the devolution of IPv4 into a monetized asset. 

What's the relation between leasing INRs and 

transfering it?

Brother, you know that:

* an INR transfer is a one time change in holdership

* where leasing INRs is a proof that there is no 

longer any need of the community's resource held.  

...imho! the communities chose a good approach 

in support to those who maintain Internet services

 and build the Internet infrastructure. It should be 

seen as an exceptional rule, not the usual...because

 it's an alternative when need ends.

...the other alternative, consistent with the principle,

 is not the leasing of INRs; but the returning.

 

It doesn’t help that the earliest and most prolific adopters of this form of leasing have been snowshoe spammers. 

It helps to better understand how bad is the thing :'(

...please, do consider the following scenario:

|1. you have a fundamental principle for INRs distribution within the regional RIR

|2. for each resource holder, the RIR is responsible

to enforce the Policy Manual

|3. a resource holder receives some INRs from a 

regional RIR

|4. that resource holder stops to comply to the 

principle in "1"

|5. the INRs delegated to that resource holder are

not used according to the community-based Policy

 Manual

|6. in order to justify its use, that resource holder 

assign part of the delegated INRs to its clients

|7. the clients are asked to comply the the Policy 

Manual; including the fundamental principle in "1"

|8. .

How shall it end?

 

However, there are leasing agencies that insist on getting proper justification from their customers and have strong anti-abuse policies. 

Great! btw! what's their need? who need a MITM 

in the process, when it's possible to simply transfer

the resource or simply send it back to the free pool?

 

I would strongly encourage you to seek out such an organization to partner with if you choose to lease your addresses as there are a number of pitfalls you can encounter otherwise. 

...risks are either ways! would you recommend 

to someone to put its private keys within one 

else personal's computer?

Hi Karim,

To summarise, if there is no longer a need, please 

do either one of the following three things:

1| send it back to the RIR;

2| change the word *lease* to *transfer* and 

announce your willing to transfer the INRs you hold.

3| do not hesitate to discuss your alternatives with 

the RIR's Staff. They are paid to support you!

Thanks.

 

Shalom,

--sb.

 

Owen

On Jul 3, 2023, at 08:25, Noah <noah@neo.co.tz> wrote:



Hi KARIM,

Considering the fact that IPs are requested on need-basis by resource holders to number your own networks/systems and that of your clients?

Any reason why MEKTEL would want to offer IPs for lease?

Cheers,

./noah

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 6:16 PM KARIM MEKKAOUI <amekkaoui@mektel.ca> wrote:

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