Folks, Is it possible/common for a non-facilities-based CLEC (we call them paper based) to start getting loops pulled for themselves, and to start physically handling the circuits without becoming a full fledged facilities based CLEC? To clarify ... We have a new customer who is just that ... A non-facilities based CLEC. They don't want to resell AT&T's network anymore as they want to start building their own network, little bit at a time. I was thinking .. Well, shoot .. If all they want to do is sell Internet T1s (for example), then have them pulled back to a collo somewhere over a channelized DS3 on the backend and an equivalent speed internet connection the front - and they will be on their way ... So the question remains ... will they still be able to capture the savings of getting such loops because they are a CLEC, if indeed they are not 'facilities based' and just handling the loops as if they were the customer? I believe they have no intentions on becoming a facilities based CLEC. Make sense? This is somewhat new territory for me - as I never had (or really wanted to) dive into how a CLEC operates before. But I want to exploit that as much as possible if it means wicked cheap loops! Thanks, -graham