You, sir, are to be congratulated! I have been on this list for many years - mainly to keep in the loop. Up until today the list went to a catch-all account as I have never felt the need to post. Today, though, I felt the need to create the mailbox just so I could reply since your posts have been the most irritating I have ever seen on this list. The complete ineptness in any of the points you shared was astonishing. If you are on this list you are most likely in some business associated with the Internet so if you are like some of those that "just want to get some regular work done" let me remind you that this _is_ regular work. Get it done. Microsoft isn't to blame here. It's the people who refuse to upgrade their Operating Systems or patch religiously who are (read: IT departments here too). A lot more of the world use Microsoft products than you seem to think - it is the dominant and it's not going away. If this causes you more work than the random scripts you google on the Internet to run on your *nix boxes perhaps your time in the business is up. I too prefer and enjoy running all sorts of flavors of unix/Linux and sometimes you will find that I bash the occasional Windows user for being less than diligent but there is a limit to this bashing and you, Rich, have well exceeded that IMO. For those of you on this list that feel that this post was not necessary, I am sorry and would normally agree with you and I hardly think it will happen again. Phillip White -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:37 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Please run windows update now You make some excellent points: but I grow very, very tired of having to spend my time and my energy -- note timestamp on my message -- dealing with the fallout. It should be painfully clear to everyone that there is no such thing as a secure Windows system. [1] It should have been painfully clear after Code Red, after the rise of bots, and after a hundred other incidents before/since of varying severity and duration. But apparently it's not and so despite the impact of this current one -- including large-scale disruption of healthcare in the UK -- this will keep happening over and over again. And even those of us who have the good judgment to never use Microsoft products have to pay the price for the poor decision-making of others. Again. And again. It's getting old. Just like all the other things that people do (many of which have been discussed here at great length) that cause problems for others who are making an earnest attempt to do things right. How bad do things have to get before the people who are stubbornly clinging to this finally let go? Does someone have to die? Because -- again, see healthcare provider impact in the UK -- we're not that far from it. ---rsk [1] There may be no such thing as a secure system, period. But it would be better to deploy things that may have a fighting chance instead of things that have long since proven to have none at all.