CLM> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:37:21 +0000 (GMT) CLM> From: Christopher L. Morrow CLM> The problem isn't the network, nor the filtering / CLM> lack-of-filtering, its a basic end host security problem. Beyond basic filtering, it's a whack-a-mole to deal with rogue systems. Until the pain of having such a system is a sufficient barrier (or reward for being good is sufficient motivation), will there be change? Who should be held accountable for vulnerable boxen? IANAL, but automobile vendors have recall notices... Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita _________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses : blacklist@brics.com -or- alfra@intc.net -or- curbjmp@intc.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked.