This is great, I feel like one of the in crowd - getting slammed by Tim Bass :-) Seriously, I wasn't trying to put it on an emotional level - just trying to point out some basic issues that haven't been mentioned. Sometimes you have to do what's best for the Internet as a whole while not necessarily what's best for you personally. Some are willing to do this and some aren't. Also, I wasn't referring to the ISPs that want portable address space. As I stated in the message I understand why ISPs don't want to be dependant upon their upstream providers. Kim
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Now, I'm sure that every ISP reading this message cares very deeply for the Internet (as does the InterNIC) and utilizes address space efficiently, etc. But consider the hundreds of ISPs that don't.
Sorry, but here we go again, back to playing on emotions and guilt.
" .... cares very deeply for the Internet..... "
Just because a start-up ISP desires portable address space and does not want to be dependent on a up-stream service provider does not translate to the emotional position....
" .... don't care very deeply for the Internet..... "
The natural direction of a conversation that has sunk to this level is to degrade to name calling, slander, and high emotional feelings.
PLEASE do not degenerate this conversation to this level. It is not a "good and evil" "care and don't care" "black and white" issue. Just because ISPs (whom ever they are and where ever they many live) disagree with the up-stream, provider based world that the world has created, their rights, opinions and ideas should be respected.
If there are real 'demons' in the world, it is when issues, ideas, and opinions are reduced to 'black and white', 'good and bad' ' you are right and she is wrong' oversimplifications that serve only to mask the real issues.
{ and then ... there are those in the world who enjoy that tact as well }
Take care,
Tim
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