Although it is not likely that Avi is wrong, I'm sorry that this whole mess has degenerated to "did-to did-not" loops. Sigh. Avi Freedman wrote:
You may have been peering with them but you were ALSO default-routing to them.
From 4/96:
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NOW TRYING: [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228)]
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-------------------- to mci through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 204.70.57.10
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to internetmci-ipdev.Washington.mci.net (204.70.57.10)
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 376 msec 120 msec 120 msec 2 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] 128 msec 136 ms ec 148 msec 3 E0-10M.nr-1-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.4.1) [AS 4006] 148 msec 8 msec 8 msec 4 204.70.56.29 [AS 3561] 8 msec 12 msec 8 msec 5 core1-fddi-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.2.1) [AS 3561] 20 msec 12 msec 12 ms ec 6 border2-fddi-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.3.2) [AS 3561] 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec 7 internetmci-ipdev.Washington.mci.net (204.70.57.10) [AS 3561] 12 msec * 8 m sec mae-netaxs#
-------------------- to sprint through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 204.117.214.13
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to ftp.sprintlink.net (204.117.214.13)
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 4 msec 8 msec 4 msec 2 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] 8 msec 12 msec 8 msec 3 E0-10M.nr-1-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.4.1) [AS 4006] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 4 204.70.56.29 [AS 3561] 8 msec 12 msec 12 msec 5 core1-fddi-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.2.1) [AS 3561] 12 msec 8 msec 12 mse c 6 204.70.3.4 [AS 3561] 104 msec 12 msec 8 msec 7 204.70.74.118 [AS 3561] 8 msec 8 msec 12 msec 8 sl-mae-e-f0/0.sprintlink.net (192.41.177.241) [AS 3491] 8 msec 24 msec 12 ms ec 9 sl-dc-8-H1/0-T3.sprintlink.net (144.228.10.41) [AS 1239] 32 msec 12 msec 12 msec 10 sl-dc-6-F0/0.sprintlink.net (144.228.20.6) [AS 1239] 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec 11 ftp.sprintlink.net (204.117.214.13) [AS 1239] 8 msec 8 msec 12 msec mae-netaxs#
-------------------- to agis through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 205.137.48.30
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to agisgate.agis.net (205.137.48.30)
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] 8 msec 8 msec 1 2 msec 3 E0-10M.nr-1-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.4.1) [AS 4006] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 4 border1-serial2-5.Washington.mci.net (204.70.56.29) [AS 3561] 4 msec 8 msec 8 msec 5 core1-fddi-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.2.1) [AS 3561] 16 msec 8 msec 8 msec 6 204.70.1.6 [AS 3561] 80 msec 208 msec 208 msec 7 204.70.3.18 [AS 3561] 204 msec 16 msec 12 msec 8 sprint-nap.NewYork.mci.net (204.70.45.6) [AS 3561] 16 msec 16 msec 20 msec 9 agis.sprint.ep.net (192.157.69.19) [AS 1239] 28 msec 16 msec 20 msec 10 pennsauken.agis.net (205.137.61.2) [AS 4200] 52 msec 208 msec 212 msec 11 detroit-trenton.detroit.agis.net (205.137.60.233) [AS 4200] 40 msec 48 msec 52 msec 12 agis.detroit.agis.net (205.137.60.66) [AS 4200] 44 msec 64 msec 52 msec 13 agisgate.agis.net (205.137.48.30) [AS 4200] 60 msec 56 msec 52 msec mae-netaxs#
-------------------- to ans through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 192.77.167.33
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to www.ans.net (192.77.167.33)
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 4 msec 4 msec 4 msec 2 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] 8 msec 12 msec 4 msec 3 E0-10M.nr-1-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.4.1) [AS 4006] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 4 border1-serial2-5.Washington.mci.net (204.70.56.29) [AS 3561] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 5 borderx1-fddi0-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.2.4) [AS 3561] 36 msec 80 msec 8 msec 6 mae-east-plusplus.washington.mci.net (204.70.74.102) [AS 3561] 8 msec 8 msec 12 msec 7 mae-east.ans.net (192.41.177.140) [AS 3491] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 8 ft3.cnss56.Washington-DC.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.4) [AS 690] 12 msec 12 msec 8 msec 9 f0.cnss61.Washington-DC.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.197) [AS 690] 12 msec 8 msec 12 msec 10 enss186.t3.ans.net (199.221.107.86) [AS 1327] 192 msec 136 msec 140 msec 11 www.ans.net (192.77.167.33) [AS 1327] 80 msec * 136 msec mae-netaxs#
-------------------- to psi through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 38.8.8.2
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to www.psi.net (38.8.8.2)
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 8 msec 116 msec 4 mse c 2 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] 8 msec 8 msec 4 msec 3 E0-10M.nr-1-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.4.1) [AS 4006] 12 msec 8 msec 8 msec 4 border1-serial2-5.Washington.mci.net (204.70.56.29) [AS 3561] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec 5 borderx1-fddi0-0.Washington.mci.net (204.70.2.4) [AS 3561] 12 msec 8 msec 12 msec 6 mae-east-plusplus.washington.mci.net (204.70.74.102) [AS 3561] 72 msec 8 mse c 200 msec 7 mae-east.psi.net (192.41.177.245) [AS 3491] 8 msec 20 msec 12 msec 8 38.1.2.14 [AS 174] 8 msec 12 msec 12 msec 9 www.psi.net (38.8.8.2) [AS 174] 12 msec 12 msec 12 msec mae-netaxs#
-------------------- to uunet through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 199.170.0.30
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to charlotte01.va.pubnix.com (199.170.0.30)
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 0 msec 4 msec 8 msec 2 Vienna1.VA.ALTER.NET (192.41.177.249) [AS 3491] 8 msec 12 msec 8 msec 3 Hssi1/0.GW2.FFX1.Alter.Net (137.39.100.70) [AS 701] 108 msec 40 msec 8 msec 4 UUNET3-GW.UU.NET (137.39.12.35) [AS 701] 4 msec 4 msec 8 msec 5 charlotte01.va.pubnix.com (199.170.0.30) [AS 701] 8 msec 8 msec 8 msec mae-netaxs#
-------------------- to nowhere through [e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net]
trace 3.4.5.6
Type escape sequence to abort. Tracing the route to 3.4.5.6
1 e0-10m.mae-east.netrail.net (192.41.177.228) [AS 3491] 8 msec 4 msec 8 msec 2 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] 12 msec 12 msec 8 msec 3 S2-T1.nr-2-Arlington-VA.netrail.net (205.215.63.5) [AS 4006] !H !H !H mae-netaxs#
conf term Enter configuration commands, one per line. End with CNTL/Z. mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 3.4.5.6 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 3.4.5.6 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 199.170.0.30 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 199.170.0.30 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 38.8.8.2 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 38.8.8.2 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 192.77.167.33 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 192.77.167.33 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 205.137.48.30 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 205.137.48.30 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 204.117.214.13 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 204.117.214.13 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#no ip route 204.70.57.10 mae-netaxs(config)#ip route 204.70.57.10 192.41.177.112 mae-netaxs(config)#end mae-netaxs#
Avi
NO I DID NOT, Just talk to UUNet, I was peering with that at that time.
Nathan Stratton President, CTO, NetRail,Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone (888)NetRail NetRail, Inc. Fax (404)522-1939 230 Peachtree Suite 500 WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Atlanta, GA 30303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength. - Psalm 33:16
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Avi Freedman wrote:
You did. I saw it. Others saw it.
Avi
I was not, I have never pointed a default route at anyone. I was peering with UUNet at the time, I did not and never have pointed a default route at them.
Nathan Stratton President, CTO, NetRail,Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone (888)NetRail NetRail, Inc. Fax (404)522-1939 230 Peachtree Suite 500 WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Atlanta, GA 30303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength. - Psalm 33:16
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Avi Freedman wrote:
You were defaulting into UUNET at the time...
Avi
What was netrail a default violation?
Nathan Stratton President, CTO, NetRail,Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Phone (888)NetRail NetRail, Inc. Fax (404)522-1939 230 Peachtree Suite 500 WWW http://www.netrail.net/ Atlanta, GA 30303 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No king is saved by the size of his army; no warrior escapes by his great strength. - Psalm 33:16