21 Feb
2010
21 Feb
'10
6:36 a.m.
On Feb 20, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
At least the US has a written constitution and the concept of the people being sovereign.
and a room im sf where at&t hands all their internet and voice to the nsa. right. and the list is long. internet and voie traffic are no longer private in the least sense. and cisco builds taps into all the devices. it goes on and on.
Voice over IP over IPSEC is still relatively private. Internet over IPSEC or bi-directional keyed (auth+enc) SSL is still relatively private. Anything else never really was, even if it wasn't the government listening to you before. Agreed about the gov't throwing the constitution out the window, however. Owen