Tyler, Thank you very much. I took off the bandwidth reservations on the child shapers and I was able to apply to an 1841 series router in my lab. Either my TAC engineer is off base or there is some limitatin with the ASR that does not exist for vanilla IOS. QUOTE: The earlier policy doesn't use bandwidth commands, hence, it doesn't *subscribe* anything. The only thing it does is ensures that individual sites do not exceed their shaped rate. You could add bandwidth statements if you wanted to ensure a certain site always is guaranteed a certain amount of bandwidth from the parent shaper. You can't oversubscribe with the bandwidth command. Here is a short snippet of the show policy-map int, i cut it off after two sites for brevity. Service-policy output: BigShaper Class-map: class-default (match-any) 31694 packets, 4932119 bytes 30 second offered rate 129000 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: any Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 31723/4962574 shape (average) cir 50000000, bc 1250000, be 1250000 target shape rate 50000000 Service-policy : PerSiteShaper Class-map: LittleRock (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: access-group name LittleRockSubnets 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 shape (average) cir 4608000, bc 115200, be 115200 target shape rate 4608000 Service-policy : Scheduler queue stats for all priority classes: queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 Class-map: VOICE (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp ef (46) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp cs3 (24) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp af31 (26) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Priority: 50% (28 kbps), burst bytes 1500, b/w exceed drops: 0 QoS Set dscp ef Packets marked 0 Class-map: AF41 (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp af41 (34) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: access-group name eCustodyClass 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: access-group name BloombergClass 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: access-group name LiquidPointClass 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 bandwidth 25% (14 kbps) QoS Set dscp af41 Packets marked 0 Class-map: class-default (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: any Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops/flowdrops) 0/0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 Fair-queue: per-flow queue limit 16 QoS Set dscp af21 Packets marked 0 Exp-weight-constant: 9 (1/512) Mean queue depth: 0 packets dscp Transmitted ECN Random drop Tail/Flow drop Minimum Maximum Mark pkts/bytes marked pkts/bytes pkts/bytes thresh thresh prob Class-map: Chicago (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: access-group name ChicagoSubnets 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 shape (average) cir 10000000, bc 250000, be 250000 target shape rate 10000000 Service-policy : Scheduler queue stats for all priority classes: queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 Class-map: VOICE (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp ef (46) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp cs3 (24) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp af31 (26) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Priority: 50% (28 kbps), burst bytes 1500, b/w exceed drops: 0 QoS Set dscp ef Packets marked 0 Class-map: AF41 (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: ip dscp af41 (34) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: access-group name eCustodyClass 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: access-group name BloombergClass 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Match: access-group name LiquidPointClass 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second rate 0 bps Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops) 0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 bandwidth 25% (14 kbps) QoS Set dscp af41 Packets marked 0 Class-map: class-default (match-any) 0 packets, 0 bytes 30 second offered rate 0 bps, drop rate 0 bps Match: any Queueing queue limit 64 packets (queue depth/total drops/no-buffer drops/flowdrops) 0/0/0/0 (pkts output/bytes output) 0/0 Fair-queue: per-flow queue limit 16 QoS Set dscp af21 Packets marked 0 Exp-weight-constant: 9 (1/512) Mean queue depth: 0 packets dscp Transmitted ECN Random drop Tail/Flow drop Minimum Maximum Mark pkts/bytes marked pkts/bytes pkts/bytes thresh thresh prob