On 2 Mar 2018, at 11:48 am, Matt Erculiani <merculiani@gmail.com> wrote:
Not sure if this is the common thought, but if anyone has a network which requires static IP assignments, they can probably justify a request for a /48 from an RIR. After all, ARIN's requirement for an end-user IPv6 block is, at minimum: "Justify why IPv6 addresses from an ISP or other LIR are unsuitable". I would think that ISP portability would satisfy this requirement, but If I'm wrong, I'm absolutely open to being corrected on this. But most home users have no need for static IPs, so the dynamic ISP assignment is perfectly fine.
ISP assigned addresses are perfectly fine for TALKING TO THE REST OF THE WORLD. ISP assigned addresses are not perfectly fine for internal communication. With IPv6 you use ULA along side ISP assigned addresses. With IPv4 RFC 1918 address + NAT the home user has STATIC local addresses for devices that need them. Go look at your home router’s web pages. You will be able to assign static addresses to your internal machines via DHCP. Are YOU going to tell everyone that sets values there that they no longer can do the same thing for IPv6. That they need to fully renumber all their devices just because the ISP gave them a different prefix this morning?
I think the tech will advance fast enough that keeping up with an IPv6 route table will be a non-issue. IPv6 adoption is, unfortunately, slow enough that there will be no issues keeping up, even assuming a "slow" hardware refresh cycle.
-M
On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
On 2 Mar 2018, at 9:28 am, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
On Mar 1, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Harald Koch <chk@pobox.com> wrote:
On 1 March 2018 at 15:18, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com <mailto:owen@delong.com>> wrote: Second, RFC-1918 doesn’t apply to IPv6 at all, and (fortunately) hardly anyone uses ULA (the IPv6 analogue to RFC-1918).
Wait. What's the objection to ULA? Is it just that NAT is bad, or is there something new?
No particular objection, but I don’t see the point.
What can you do with ULA that GUA isn’t suitable for?
Owen
ULA provide stable internal addresses which survive changing ISP for the average home user. Now, I know you can do the same thing by going to a RIR and getting a prefix but the RIR’s aren’t setup to supply prefixes like that to 10 billion of us.
They are also in a specific range which makes setting filtering rules easier for everyone else.
Now I would love it if we could support 100 billion routes in the DFZ but we aren’t anywhere near being able to do that which would be a requirement for abandoning ULA. Until them they have there place.
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-- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org