Gee. I've know some CCIE's who seemed a little sexually ambiguous, but I'm not sure that a sweeping generalization is appropriate... :) - Daniel Golding
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Alexei Roudnev Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 11:52 AM To: Vadim Antonov; Stephen Sprunk Cc: Nanog List Subject: Re: Certification or College degrees?
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake "Nigel Clarke" <nigel@forever-networks.com>
Certifications are a waste of time. You'd be better off obtaining a Computer Science degree and focusing on the core technologies.
If you're looking to write software, sure. A CompSci degree
won't help you
in the slightest at operating networks.
Stephen - I bet I can do networks much much better than most cisco CCIEs, even after years of doing network-unrelated work :) That's because I understand _why_ the stuff is working, not only how to make cisco box to jump through hoops.
Yes, but after you'll read a few books when you start working as a network engineer again (if -:)).
CCIE just come and say _gays, you need Cisco XXX with IOS YY.YY and configure CEF, RED, packet inspection, bla bla bla... and he remember exact IOS commands.
If people want a narrow edicated engineer, they need CCIE-only gay. If they weant someone who can do everything (may be, with extra time to learn specific piece of hardware) - they need someone like Vadim.
And CCIE is not a good example - it's the BEST certification degree I ever know; other certifications are much worst - most of them are just _guess an answer_ tests. Of course, knowing _top change a domain, you need to reinstall the system_ (from some old MS exam) is very important one (because no one can guess an answer).
Btw, a friend of mine, very (VERY) high skilled gay, is looking for the new job today. When I told about him with someone, I always explain _he worked with MS and CISCO for a 10 years; he teach Microsoft in Moscow, he designed a networks, he worked as a PS for a 2 years, he bring Ascends into the Russia, he know Everything about MS and Cisco. Oh, you need his credentials - btw, he is CCIE and MS certified engineer. I never start from certificates, because they say nothing except _gay can read a books and can learn to answer a questions_. (Do you need jobless CCIE + MS certified _do not remember who_? You can hire one just now).