you mean like 'using a computer' ?
hehe... yes! if you insert the word "securely" at the end. Case in point: I helped my neighbor last weekend to diagnose a printer issue. Another problem he had was that his computer always "rebooted" and never "shut down". He just never read/understood the shutdown dialog and it never ocured to him that the radio buttons do anything. Its hard these days. But I HIGHLY recommend for everyone to get out of your server closets, enjoy the sun, and talk to non-techies once in a while. Or: spend a couple hours answering the front end customer support calls if you can't remember where you parked your car. -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Ullrich jullrich@euclidian.com pgp key: http://johannes.homepc.org/PGPKEYS -------------------------------------------------------------- "We regret to inform you that we do not enable any of the security functions within the routers that we install." support@covad.net --------------------------------------------------------------