I'm curious - how many ISPs hold to this kind of policy of being tight-lipped until subpoenaed? Personally, I'm kind of glad to see this response from @home. I know I would want to see an ISP I used do the same thing if confronted by The Law. Maybe that's just the Bill of Rights lover in me. Having said that, it sucks that they're forcing you to get the lawyers and the cops involved. I'd often prefer to see things handled on an informal basis of professional courtesy. Especially when real damage is done such as in your case. -carl hirsch network analyst sargent & lundy llc ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Update for noc .nl problem.. Author: owner-nanog-outgoing@merit.edu Date: 2/23/01 3:09 PM Spoke to someone from the home.com abuse department... Basic conversation was, We won't give you the information, Untill you subpeona us. Well time to get the lawyers involved. -- Scott Walker scott@unspeakable.org Cell 954.444.3408 http://www.unspeakable.org Network/Security Administrator There are two ways to write error-free programs. Only the third one works.