Yes; There was absolutely some outright fraud here. Fraud, that even when pointed out exactly to the FCC staffers handling this, was simply ignored. This fraud claims in the rural parts of mendocino county, where I have operated for 20 years, claims there is 'competitive fiber' within 500' of some of the CO's I would _die_ to have fiber access in, and which has never ever been possible. The fscking game playing here is unbelievable. ATT, how far you have fallen...and taking down America with you.






On 7/22/22 14:23, Mike Hammett wrote:
Here's the list of CLLI codes where you're no longer able to order dark fiber:


https://www.fcc.gov/clli-code-list


It seems odd as I look through there, finding COs with no competitive fiber and yet, they're on the list.



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From: "Paul Timmins" <paul@telcodata.us>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 1:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: Frontier Dark Fiber

Your rights under the ICA are dead. Since 2002 you were only able to order it if one end was in a tier 3 wirecenter, and it was killed in 2021 as an orderable product.


https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/08/2020-25254/modernizing-unbundling-and-resale-requirements-in-an-era-of-next-generation-networks-and-services


There's an 8 year transition for existing unbundled dark fiber (February 28, 2029). Dark fiber loops were dead in 2002 under the TRRO.




On 7/13/22 07:45, Mike Hammett wrote:
Oh, and I forgot to mention that my ICA has it.

From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40:47 AM
Subject: Frontier Dark Fiber

I'm looking for a contact at Frontier that can discuss dark fiber.

My current account exec says they don't offer it, yet prior conversations with him and a previous SE revealed that they very much did (just didn't have availability on the paths I wanted at the time).

Their web site highlights it fairly proudly.


I'm aware that availability varies.

I'm aware that they likely don't want to sell it.