This is amazing. People are discovering oversubscription. When we put the very first six 2400bps modems for the public on the internet in 1989 and someone shortly thereafter got a busy signal and called support the issue was oversubscription. What? You mean you don't have one modem and phone line for each customer??? Shortly thereafter the fuss was dial-up ISPs selling "unlimited" dial-up accounts for $20/mo and then knocking people off if they were idle to accomodate oversubscription. But as busy signals mounted it wasn't just idle, it was "on too long" or "unlimited means 200 hours per month" until attornies-general began weighing in. And here it is over 18 years later and people are still debating oversubscription. Not what to do about it, that's fine, but seem to be discovering oversubscription de novo. Wow. It reminds me of back when I taught college and I'd start my first Sept lecture with a puzzled look at the audience and "didn't I explain all this *last* year?" But at least they'd laugh. Hint: You're not getting a dedicated megabit between chicago and johannesburg for $20/month. Get over it. HOWEVER, debating how to deal with the policies to accomodate oversubscription is reasonable (tho perhaps not on this list) because that's a moving target. But here we are a week later on this thread (not to mention nearly 20 years) and people are still explaining oversubscription to each other? Did I accidentally stumble into Special Nanog? -- -Barry Shein The World | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 800-THE-WRLD | Login: Nationwide Software Tool & Die | Public Access Internet | SINCE 1989 *oo*