On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:19:16AM -0400, Paul Wall wrote:
Thanks to the efforts of the people on this list, you've known Estdomains/Esthost was bad news for several weeks or more.
Why are you only now shutting them down?
"several weeks"? Try "several years". And do note the rationale (below) for the refusal to shut them down.
From Russ@Atrivo.com Sun Sep 4 13:58:23 EDT 2005 Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting From: Russ@Atrivo.com Subject: Re: Atrivo/InterCage Abuse Approved: NANAB Moderators <moderators@blocklisting.com> Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.107.73.156; posting-account=2w8xwQ0AAADzda9cIvAir5JUpndTEjLg Nntp-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Nntp-Posting-Host: 69.107.73.156 X-Http-Useragent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.1.4322),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1125683278.320264.138150@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1125616541.094735.138810@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11hgs71j941hs0a@corp.supernews.com> X-Trace: posting.google.com 1125683283 16154 127.0.0.1 (2 Sep 2005 17:48:03 GMT) Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:51:13 GMT X-Robomod: STUMP, ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov), C++/Perl/Unix Consulting
Hello fhh,
There is no "network of esthost". The network in which Esthost resides is our network. Esthost is one of our larger clients, They are very successful in the industry of web hosting and domain registration. They just recently became an ICANN Accredited Registrar. I won't comment on "why" they're so successful... But for some, that may be obvious.
I believe an investigation by law enforcement is a very corrective step... That would definately clean Esthost up.
I can honestly say, there are 2 of our major clients who are very successful... and with both of those comes occasional abuse. On one, it's the occasional spam via exploit. The other... Esthost... Well... A lot worse abuse then just spam.
One of the things I find quite rediculous is people have taken all of our business emails from whois etc, and placed them in spam runs. How stupid can you get?... Honestly! You have never received a spam email that came from our business servers... Our clients (like EVERY other companies clients) do get the abuse of spam from their servers. For all of our clients (esthost aside)... This is not very often. We can't please everyone. We try... But when you have to go through and work with a client like esthost who doesn't quite take abuse too seriously... and the only other thing you can do is null their client's server.... it's hard to get a "correct" action taken. The correct action on any intentional spammer is to be immediately removed. As well as intentional virii distributors. This is seen with iframecash.biz... We took reports from P Thompson and demanded their removal... That appeared to be resolved... and then they pop up again.
If I had the ability... I would cut Esthost as a client... But, in doing so, it causes nearly a quarter if not half of the company's monthly revenue to be cut. That is not too good of a move nor reasonably possible ;)
People consider Atrivo/InterCage to be some abuse supporting company... If only any of you knew what the position would be in a company our size.
It's not as easy as you believe it to be ;)
Thank you for your time. Have a great day.
-- Russell Mitchell - Russ[at]Atrivo.com Atrivo Technologies