----- Original Message ----- From: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com> To: "'Wojtek Zlobicki'" <wojtekz@idirect.com>; <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 10:20 PM Subject: RE: The Death of TCP/IP
From: Wojtek Zlobicki [mailto:wojtekz@idirect.com] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 3:09 PM
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Nothing other than anti-Microsoft propaganda. You cannot blame Microsoft for high market share.
But you can blame them for making Vbasic available to every email message that wants to rape your system. Boy, what a brain-fart that was. It still stinks. Repeat after me; nothing in an email message should be executable without express and very deliberate operator intervention.
Agreed, BUT .... as stated by Cringley himself, Microsoft tailors their software to the populus. Wow a software company listening to its users, what a travesty.
The main reason that *Nix hosts are generally more resilient to these type of worms is that it is less likely for a non informed administrator to administer a *Nix sever.
False. A very large portion of the *nux machines are in this sad condition.
False, many popular exploits (such as those with BIND) are fixed/patched much faster. Now a really scarry worm would be one that exploits Apache. I used *NIX and not Linux for a reason. Many UNIX boxes are much better secured. Joe Sixpack that installs his favourite distro of Linux is just as vulnerable as a windows users. I will give you the fact that there are still many unsecure/unpatched boxes in both worlds. It all comes down to the poor management of Internet connected devices. I am really encouraged by the new option of auto installing updates in Windows XP. It is sad that such a well publicized worm/bug is spreading so far (it made the front page of the National Post here in Canada).
If everyone that had a IIS box available on the big I, installed all related patches, worms like Code Red would never propagate very far.
Sure they would, you'd just never notice it. A *real* programmer would
have
started CodeRed out at the current Level III version.
Raw socket support in NOT a bad thing. I wonder if Robert Cringely and Steve Gibson are friends.
Now here, we agree.
"Say goodbye to TCP/IP and to anonymous connections of any kind. Hello to Hailstorm, tracking everything down to the last mile, and a more business-friendly Internet with prioritized packet-handling. "
I've just been looking at Hailstorm, it sucks. Think "totalitarianism". Think, re-enforcment of monopoly position.
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I really encourage anyone with a tough skin, and looking for a good laugh to read this article.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hough" <rch@acidpit.org> To: <nanog@merit.edu> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: The Death of TCP/IP
Felt like sharing this most amusing article that I discovered in my Inbox this morning:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html
-- Robert Hough (rch@acidpit.org)