Hmmm, maybe my experience with Arin is differnet but it wasn't all that difficult for me. I received a /19 initial allocation and never had to use upstream space at all!!! It took a little more paperwork and perhaps my case was unique but it was quite painless. Scott On Mon, 6 May 2002, Grant A. Kirkwood wrote:
On Monday 06 May 2002 10:00 am, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
What others have told you here is correct: when you terminated your contract with Cogent [any contract language nonwithstanding] you gave up your "right" to use any portion of their address space.
As one person on here already pointed out, this is a good thing. Think about it.
What it tells me is I should have wasted enough space to consume 8 /24s long ago, so I could get a /20 directly from ARIN. I assign IPs to customers very conservatively. Multiple DSL customers with static IPs are put on a shared subnet instead of one subnet per customer. I easily could have used 8 /24's a year ago and still conformed to ARIN rules. At the time I was only using 3 /24's. We recently reached 8 /24s and applied to ARIN a few weeks ago for a /20, but it sounds like the best thing to do is to use IPs in the most inefficient way possible (while still conforming to ARIN policy) in order to quickly qualify for PI space.
-Ralph
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I'm sorry, but ARIN's policy practically _encourages_ the "efficient wasting" of space to qualify for PI space. This is one of the most frustrating things to deal with. What's a startup ISP/MSP/ASP-type to do? You want PI space for the benefit of your customers (for obvious reasons), but ARIN requires that you start with an upstream's space. So you generate B.S. justification for 8 /24s, slap a zillion IPs on some dumb 386 somewhere, then request PI space from ARIN. Then two years later your upstream ISP realizes you don't need the space anymore, then MAYBE assigns it elsewhere.
This just seems counter-productive to me. There really should be a vehicle for these types of situations.
Grant