Jeremy, SmartOptics is one such vendor that I've used in the past that may be able to do this. http://www.smartoptics.com/ -Josh On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Brian R <briansupport@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have to agree with Brandon. I have not worked with Ciena equipment directly but have work with carriers that use it. I worked with Adtran on this kind of setup and like Brandon said they require a lot of information to build what is needed for each specific run (fiber type, quality, wave length optimization, number of splices, etc). I've seen the tools Adtran uses to calculate exactly what equipment is required and it is pretty complex for distances even close to what you are talking about.
Definitely check for a re-gen site(s), most likely the carrier has to re-gen their own runs down this fiber path (another thing to consider in the calculation matrix especially if you are not trying to re-gen your run).
I have to give Baldur kudos for finding that I'm still amazed that Fiberstore is claiming that's possible without a lot of information. I have worked with Fiberstore and they are a cooperative vendor and their products work for what we have used them for.
My suggestion is to reach out to Fiberstore, Ciena, Adtran, and other vendors that people recommend with a detailed email of what you would like to accomplish and the information you can get. Ask for a design engineer (I know Adtran has them and assume others do) to get the info you need and see what they can mock up for you.
Brian
________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Brandon Martin < lists.nanog@monmotha.net> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:41 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DWDM on 250 Km dark fiber without re-amplification
On 12/23/2016 07:14 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Hi all,
First, i'm sorry for my english, i'm french and i don't have a good level in this language. But i want some informations and i'm sure, someone will be give the good anwser about my question.
So, i'm regarding to rent a dual dark fiber in France, the estimated distance is 225 Km, but i know there are a lot of optical switching on the highway where it's fiber is installed (in theory, all 80 Km). So, i used the bad scenario, in adding 25 Km on my need.
I would like to buy a amplificator and multiplexer DWDM to add some 10Gb/s waves on this dark fiber. I've see that the amplification is better on 100 Gb/s synchronised ports, but we don't have enoug capacity on our router to add 100 Gb/s interfaces.
So, someone has installed this type of hardware on a dark fiber without regeneration on 250 Km of distance ? If yes, with what kind of hardware ? If you are commercial for this hardware, please contact me in private message.
Look up Raman amplification. The short of what this does is it pumps a ton of power into the near end of the fiber span and creates what looks somewhat like a typical color-blind amplifier somewhere several dozen km out on the span. You'll also need to dump a ton of power into the span at the far end using an EDFA or similar. Even with both of those, that distance is still going to push the raw optical power budget of even most state-of-the-art transceivers especially if the fiber is old or of low quality (high loss, high dispersion, etc.).
The longest span I've ever gotten a vendor to commit to an engineered design for was about 140km, and of course they needed full characterization of the span before they'd do it. At those distances, distance alone is no longer sufficient to throw together a design.
It seems highly likely that there's at least one re-gen facility along that span. I'd definitely see if there is one and if you can get some space in it. That will knock you down into the 100-130km range on both sides of the re-gen, hopefully, which is perfectly doable.
You are somewhat correct that 100Gb interfaces often handle longer distances better, but it's because they are often using coherent receivers and carrier-synchronous transmitters rather than raw power receivers and ASK pulsed transmitters. There are vendors that sell coherent 10Gb transceivers, too, and they'll be cheaper than 100Gb solutions especially if you don't need the extra capacity anyway. I'd definitely check them out for this type of application especially if you can't get any dispersion compensation in the middle since coherent optics are usually much more tolerant of chromatic dispersion.
The big vendor I've worked with in the past on this sort of stuff is Ciena (and they're certainly a juggernaut in the industry) though I have no connection to them other than as a satisfied (if occasionally broke after a PO or out of breath after seeing a quotation) customer/integrator.
-- Brandon Martin