Hello, I'm curious if anyone knows of any good alternatives to shape bandwidth logically other than the packeteer. We're having persistent problems with slow bandwidth, including bandwidth outside any policy limitations, and for some reason it keeps kicking into safe mode as well. Ironically they were having the same problems on the interop demos =). I'm going to be taking a look at Foundry's Server-Iron which is a L4 switch, but it may not do what we need it to do. Bay networks makes some nice switches that are capable of bandwidth shaping, but only per physical port. Our basic needs are a unit that will shape logically, keep statistics, and all the general bells and whistles that one would need to maintain a shaped, shared-colo network. Thank you, Jonathan A. Zdziarski Senior Systems Administrator Netrail, inc. 888.NET.RAIL x240