At Friday 06:25 PM 1/14/00 , Steve Sobol wrote:
This may come as a shock to many, but I agree with Randy.
If someone asks ORBS to stop probing, they should stop.
That could be ok with me, unless they have something to hide. Those who ask ORBS (or anyone else) to stop testing cannot expect that they are not listed, if it turns up that they are eligible for listing through some other means (relayed spam evidence, popular nomination, etc.). ORBS does list such hosts differently: They are indicated as such via different A records: 127.0.0.2 - automated system listing. 127.0.0.3 - manual individual entry 127.0.0.4 - netblock entry - multiple open relays, but blocking tester. Problem: common RBL-style use in Sendmail does nothing but check for existance of the address RR, without distinguishing between the different types of listings. This is a deficiency at the MTA, not with the listing service at this time, really. Note how Above.net hosts appear as 127.0.0.4 . Someone oughta come up with some new sendmail.cf rules to accomodate specific records, such as : 127.0.6.66 - people who are pissing me off 127.0.9.99 - people who sued other people with bogus software patents in hand and should be punished 127.0.10.1 - RIIA, and other entities that are busy destroying the Internet as we know it that should be punished 127.0.22.2 - people who bullied kids out of their domain names because the name has been some obscure trademark for an unrelated industry for a long time. 127.1.1.1 - people nominated to be blocked by popular vote 127.5.5.5 - politically incorrect site of a couleur I don't approve of 127.31.33.7 - posts a lot on NANOG I think this kind of listing will open entirely new horizons, especially if the end-user behind the MTA has a choice in what he wants (not) to receive: "Your product is made of roasted, freeze-dried small animal organs ? Shove that email up yours!" I see a billion ways for the censorware folks to get into the RBL business. You heard it it here first, this is prior art. bye,Kai