In article <103014.1607.23062@avi.netaxs.com> you wrote: : Seems to be a case of prisoners dilema. The security of any one network : is to some extent at the mercy of all other connected networks. The : overall security of the network is only as strong as it's weakest link. : In a highly competitive market place there is going to be little : incentive to invest in security if it will just be compromised by your : cost cutting competitors. Yes, but: - Shouldn't we encourage our tax $ go with preference towards good network citizens? - If only a few of the larger networks started implementing better practices that engineering groups can't get funded today, we're still getting better off. - Starting at the core, which is who the Feds buy the most IP from, still makes life a lot simpler if and when we get the "big one" in terms of cyber-attack. I think this is probably better for a BOF (maybe even the security BOF) discussion, though... Avi