The biggest mistake everyone is making is that while we are talking about what the USGOV/NSA in this instance you assume this is the only entity behaving in this manner. Morpheus <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000401/?ref_=tt_trv_qu>: "This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. " Mike On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@gmail.com> wrote:
We have to do the right thing anyway because as engineers we are always motivated to innovate, to fix, to make things better. Motivation has not to come form the NSA or any other spooking service of the day. Even if we design and deploy the best engineering solution there is always a weak link that can be compromised, coerced by law or workaround by counter-engineering.
We want better was to provide "privacy" ? I'm not against that, but if you really want privacy the best and cheapest engineering solution is to remove the plug.
We should spend more cycles about how to make broadband real broadband, deploying IPv6, implementing DNSSEC, educating people and bringing Internet where is no access or where there is bad access make it good, if in the process of doing that the NSA wants to get high sniffing all packets I really don't care much because that is not an engineering problem.
I think that "privacy" on a "public" network is a very relative concept, same as "security".
-J
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Scott Brim <scott.brim@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jorge Amodio <jmamodio@gmail.com> wrote:
IMHO, there is no amount of engineering that can fix stupid people doing stupid things on both sides of the stupid lines.
Yes but there is engineering to ensure that they have the opportunity to do the right thing in the first place. If we (IETF) naively engineer out the ability to have privacy, it doesn't matter if those people are stupid or not.