Bill, Stop now! You just made me spew beer in all directions out my nose! I have no doubt that there is a home for you @ eBay if you ever desire it. John Fraizer --Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse any typos. On Jun 6, 2015 8:57 PM, "manning" <bmanning@karoshi.com> wrote:
i’ll never make it past the telephone screen….
manning bmanning@karoshi.com PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102
On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL! And if you've got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're an EXPERT. I'm gonna expect you to be one!
John Fraizer --Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse any typos. On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108@yahoo.com> wrote:
$employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for $day_job only without any real desire to understand how things-actually-work&why.
----- Original Message ----- From: John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> To: Łukasz Bromirski <lukasz@bromirski.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
Folks,
It's just a piece of paper in my opinion. A person either knows their stuff or they don't. Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them. Sadly, I've spoken to far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
John Fraizer --Sent from my Android phone. Please excuse any typos. On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <lukasz@bromirski.net> wrote:
On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john@op-sec.us> wrote:
Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece of paper every time!
Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is
that
the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are different than the rest of the world).
Jared, don’t generalize.
True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
— CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)