In reply to the group as my reply was only to Luke. This is why I say, they should need to justify the extension of these costs. In my opinion a transit provider should not have any justification to extend said costs. One might suggest that the unjustified extension of these costs could be construed as fraudulent charges. Todd Grand -----Original Message----- From: Luke Guillory [mailto:lguillory@reservetele.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:08 AM To: Todd Grand <tgrand@tgrand.com> Cc: Eric Dugas <edugas@unknowndevice.ca>; Graham Johnston <johnstong@westmancom.com>; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations On transit though? We in the US pay all of these types of fees as well though not on service outside of telephone. Sent from my iPad
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These costs are related to federal, provincial and/or municipal mandates, programs and requirements such as provincial 9-1-1 fees, spectrum acquisition, licensing charges, and contribution charges to help subsidize telephone service in rural and remote areas. These costs are not taxes or amounts that the government requires carriers to collect. The specific amount of these costs can vary as the fees/costs of government mandates/programs change.
I would have them outline what regulatory costs they incur, as they have to justify the extension of these costs, or in my opinion it is a form of fraud.
Todd Grand
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+tgrand=tgrand.com@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 10:00 AM To: Graham Johnston <johnstong@westmancom.com> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
From what I've gathered so far, every other carriers that we use are either invoicing us from Canada or outside the US (e.g. Telia from Vancouver, BC and Cogent from Toronto, ON).
A couple of minutes after firing my first email, our rep called me to follow up. He'll escalate this as far as he can with his COO and CFO and suggested two scenarios.
On Mar 14 2017, at 10:41 am, Graham Johnston <johnstong@westmancom.com> wrote:
We don't explicitly pay a charge like this for the transit bandwidth we purchase in Toronto from an international carrier, and I doubt that it is built into the cost without any mention of it. I've never heard of such a thing.
Graham Johnston Network Planner Westman Communications Group 204.717.2829 johnstong@westmancom.com
\-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Eric Dugas Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:04 AM To: NANOG Subject: Regulatory Recovery Surcharge for Canadian corporations
I recently negotiated a new contract with a tier1 for IP transit in Canada and just got the invoice. I saw a "new" Regulatory Recovery Surcharge of 10% the MRC (before taxes) that I've never seen before. Do any of my Canadian fellows on this list are paying this outrageous surcharge?
Other than saying "it's in the MSA", our rep, their tax and billing department are not useful at all. The actual rate is not specified anywhere in the MSA or in the contract.