On Nov 27, 2023, at 11:40 AM, Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:Can you have an ethernet switch with dying gasp?
Our ONTs (Calix, PON) have it but I don't see how you'd do it with ethernet.On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 11:25 AM Tom Samplonius <tom@samplonius.org> wrote:Adva, RAD, and Telco Systems are all good NID options.You can go with just any switch, but “proper” NIDs have dying gasp. If the NID is going on a customer premise, I consider dying gasp a must. The dying gasp allows your NOC to determine the difference between a network break and fiber cut.TomOn Nov 27, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:Around here, Spectrum uses an Adva for demarc and it can not do rfc2544 testing. They will unplug the Adva and plug in the techs' mobile unit (Viavi I think). VZW/Tmo/Sprint/etc don't seem to mind.On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 9:34 AM Ryan Hamel <ryan@rkhtech.org> wrote:The problem with using switches as a CPE device is the lack of RFC2544 (or equivalent) testing, and monitoring of the complete circuit with TWAMP. Both of which are used to ensure compliance with an SLA.
Ryan Hamel
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To: Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au>
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: CPE/NID options
When you say fiber, is it Ethernet? If you just want layer 2 and a media converter, Mikrotik is a super good answer.
On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 12:19 AM Christopher Hawker <chris@thesysadmin.au> wrote:
Hi Ross,
I've found these Mikrotik devices to be excellent and reliable:
CRS310-8G+2S+IN: 8 x 2.5G copper ethernet ports, 2 x SFP+ cages, rack-mountable. Uses a single DC barrel-jack. https://mikrotik.com/product/crs310_8g_2s_inCRS305-1G-4S+IN: 4 x SFP+ cages, dual DC barrel-jack ports for redundant power, 1 x 1G copper ethernet port for OOB management. https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_inCRS310-1G-5S-4S+OUT: 4 x SFP+ cages, 5 x SFP cages, 1 x 1G copper ethernet port for OOB management, can be mounted outdoors. https://mikrotik.com/product/netfiber_9
MSRP on all three are at or below $249.00 so are priced quite reasonably. If you only need SFP+ cages I'd opt for the CRS305-1G-4S+IN.
Regards,Christopher Hawker
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To: North American Network Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: CPE/NID optionsI'm evaluating CPEs for one of my clients, a regional ISP. Currently, we're terminating the customer's service (L3) on our upstream equipment and extending it over our own fiber to the customer's premise, where it lands in a Juniper EX2200 or EX2300.
At a previous job, I used Accedian's ANTs on the customer prem side. I like the ANT because it has a small footprint with only 2 ports, it's passively cooled, it's very simple to operate, it's controlled centrally, etc. Unfortunately, when I reached out to Accedian, they insisted that the controller (which is required) started at $30k, which is a non-starter for us.
I'm not aware of any other products like this. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple L2* device to deploy to customer premises? Not necessarily the exact same thing, but something similarly-featured would be ideal.
*I'm not sure if the ANT is exactly "layer 2", but I don't know what else to call it.