-----Original Message----- From: Richard Barnes [mailto:richard.barnes@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:44 AM To: Tony Hain Cc: Vincent Hoffman; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph
Note that the ARIN, APNIC, and RIPE lines should all basically level out to asymptotes after they hit 1 /8 left, due to the "soft run out" policies in place [1][2][3]. Either that, or just consider arriving at 1 /8 left as depletion.
The /8 that applies to those policies has not been allocated yet ... ask again tomorrow. Would it make more sense to mark the graph at 1 with an asterisk, or just leave those out of this graph all together? If you care about how well the policy is managing the end of the pool, then marking 1 is the right thing, while if you only care about when 'old policy' stops then it makes more sense to just leave them off. Tony
Geoff: How are your graphs dealing with these policies?
[1] <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10> [2] <http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy#9.10.1> [3] <http://ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2010-02.html>
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net> wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: Vincent Hoffman [mailto:jhary@unsane.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:44 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: ipv4's last graph
On 02/02/2011 17:22, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Tony Hain <alh-ietf@tndh.net> wrote:
So in the interest of 'second opinions never hurt', and I just can't get my head around "APnic sitting at 3 /8's, burning 2.3 /8's in the last 2 months and the idea of a 50% probability that their exhaustion event occurs Aug. 2011", here are a couple other graphs to consider. http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools.pdf http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.pdf
Tony Two things:
1) you'll get better uptake of your graph if it's visible as a simple image, rather than requiring a PDF download. :/ Not wishing to advertise google but
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-
rir-pools.pdf and
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-
rir-pools-zoom.pdf
works for me without needing to download a pdf viewer
For some reason that viewer didn't work here, so I added jpg's to the site. http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools.jpg http://www.tndh.net/~tony/ietf/IPv4-rir-pools-zoom.jpg
Vince
2) labelling the Y axis would help; I'm not sure what the scale of 1-8 represents, unless it's perhaps the number of slices of pizza consumed per staff member per address allocation request?
I thought about leaving it off completely, but figured I would be asked for scale. It is /8's remaining until they drop into their 'last allocation' policy. I will see if I can figure out how to fit that into something readable.
But I do agree with what seems to be your driving message, which is that Geoff could potentially be considered "optimistic". ^_^;
Geoff has always been the optimist ... ;0
Matt