On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:02:57AM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
On August 21, 2000 at 19:23 john@sackheads.org (John Payne) wrote:
On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 09:55:18PM -0400, Barry Shein wrote:
Is there any reasonable way to tell these ORBS and MAPS losers "possibly good intentions, but so badly run that: no thanks" from the net administrator community.
Don't lump ORBS and MAPS in the same boat... MAPS is run by well balanced, sane individuals and doesn't commit net-abuse. ORBS on the other hand...
No measurables, no reason to believe any of it is worth the trouble it causes (i.e., blocks any significant amount of spam), no due process, no review of principles possible, you can't even take your business elsewhere to get them out of your life, no one even gets to vote with their wallet.
What trouble does MAPS cause? RSS and DUL are blocking quite a bit of spam for *me*. Dunno how much the RBL is blocking... 'cos I'm behind a BGP feed. No measurables tho... sure - you get what you pay for. But, what trouble does it cause?
This is just vigilantism with all the potential for abuse with the usual pattern it takes on in non-cyber contexts wherein they mostly hassle honest citizens because the crooks are far too slick for such amateurish approaches so if you leave your car doors unlocked they slash the tires to teach you a lesson.
P.S. We were accidentally blocked by MAPS once, PITA. I'm not impressed and it's not possible for an ISP to use MAPS.
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