I'm not sure how on-topic this is/was, but considering long thread and different opinions that were expressed before, I believe some here may want to have additional information I recently read: http://www.emailbattles.com/archive/battles/phish_aacgebeeje_hc/ The article author talked to both nectartech and godaddy and is also including copies of emails from nectartech side as to their conversations with godaddy. The last one (on how domain can be reactivated) you may find most interesting if you're not otherwise familiar with godaddy's policies: http://www.trimmail.com/news/archive/extra/godaddy_v_nectartech/14012006/ Also here is a quote from godaddy that also seems on-topic as to what was discussed on this thread at nanog before: "The phone call was not up to our high standards and it's being addressed internally. The Abuse Department is available 24/7, 365 days a year." At the end article it says "Update 18 January 2006: NectarTECH owner Nick Mariani dropped us a line to let us know that Go Daddy senior management is talking to him. Although we profess no ownership of a crystal ball, we're guessing these two old pals will ultimately stick together." Since I also "profess no ownership of crystal ball", I used my favorite net tool (you surely can guess by now what it is). The results (as of January 20th) are as follows: [DOMAIN whois information for NECTARTECH.COM ] Domain Name: NECTARTECH.COM Namespace: ICANN Unsponsored Generic TLD - http://www.icann.org TLD Info: See IANA Whois - http://www.iana.org/root-whois/com.htm Registry: VeriSign, Inc. - http://www.verisign-grs.com Registrar: FABULOUS.COM PTY LTD. - http://www.fabulous.com Whois Server: whois.fabulous.com Name Server[whois+dns with ip] NS1.NECTARTECH.COM 69.50.224.2 Name Server[whois+dns with ip] NS2.NECTARTECH.COM 69.50.225.2 Updated Date: 20-Jan-2006 Creation Date: 26-Feb-2002 Expiration Date: 26-Feb-2007 Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK For full copy of whois data and aup please see: http://www.completewhois.com/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=28433753&options=retrieve BTW - the read comments at the end of the article may also be quite interesting if you want to get an additional point of view on nectartech... -- William Leibzon Elan Networks william@elan.net