A point that Dean makes here is pretty valid. Last year MHSC tried to run a third-party secure email service, using sendmail. The only way to do that is to allow relaying. The nimrods, that are about closing down all mail relays, absolutely ignore valid business uses for the relays. They don't understand that someone might want to use a different SMTP server, than the one their ISP uses, in order to send to someone in the WEB, FTN, VPN, or PER TLDs. That sort of gateway MUST allow relays in order to function. I know Ron Guillimette from my daze on the anti-spam lists. Not only is he rabid, but he lacks a lot of sense. He's an "ends justify means" type.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Dean Anderson Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:16 AM To: Kai Schlichting; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: ARIN whois
These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia.
We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open". We are not going to close them. We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally. The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that access comes from international sources.
Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us, posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service. Inciting criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make sure to mention them prominently.
--Dean
Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai Schlichting said:
At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks? ARIN's
whois only gives back a handful.
I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find
out what they are.
Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris
Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal complaints underway.
Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any of them talk to my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your bonehead again: THEY WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE THEM, NO MATTER HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA, AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your senses and shut the literal front door of your house now that you've finally noticed the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years after the rest of us, no doubt.
And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either. Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott Yelich's tagline).
bye,Kai
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