What we've seen is that the RBOC typically has a lot of crap copper in the ground, in a lot of cases air-core (pre gel-fill) that hasn't held up well. With the popularity of DSL, they ran out of good pairs to use. As they ran out of pairs, they eventually had to put in remote terminals to handle any new voice orders. They knew the future was fiber, at least to the node, so they had no incentive to build new copper plant, and little incentive to maintain the existing plant. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com> wrote:
Fletcher,
Your specific case may vary, but I am most certainly _not_ "making stuff up". In many territories, especially outside of major metro areas, you cannot order dry pairs. This has been because of a combination of relaxed rules (if you really want I can dig up the NTCA reports on this) and because the rules never required the ILEC to add capacity once they were used up.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkittred@gwi.net> wrote:
In this particular post, your making stuff up. There are still "residential focused" CLECs and ordering Unbundled Network Elements(UNEs) is not more difficult than in the past. The rules haven't changed.
What is certainly true is that many CLECs have found that it is more lucrative to sell to businesses, but I don't think there is a correlation with residential getting more difficult. We used to be 75%/25% residential/business and are now 45%/55% business, but that reflects the *rapid* growth of the business market.
regards, Fletcher
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com> wrote:
Joe,
I'm assuming from your domain that you're in Canada where yes dry pairs are still generally available. I apologize for not making it clear that my comment was specifically about the US where dry pairs are nearly impossible to order today and the CLEC market has almost entirely abandoned the residential space. In fact, the only state in the US that I still see
any
residentially focused CLECs is Texas which tells me there is something about the regulations in that state that makes it more feasible.
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
On 2013-02-03, at 14:39, Scott Helms <khelms@zcorum.com> wrote:
Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason.
Dry pairs are trivial to order round these parts. Generalisations are always wrong, no doubt including this one.
Joe (putting the N back in NANOG)
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