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-----Original Message----- From: Justin Ryburn [mailto:justin@ryburn.org] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:18 PM To: Chad Skidmore; nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: How many backbones here are filtering the makelovenotspam scr eensaver site?
This is what scares me. Who determines the "bad guys?" I don't know anyone over at Lycos so I have no trust (or lack there of) in Lycos. Who is to say that Lycos won't decide next month that Yahoo, Google, MSN, _insert your own network here_ are "bad guys" and point the screen saver at them. Are they likely to do it? Probably not; it would be a PR nightmare for them. But who is to stop them? What if they don't go so extreme and just point the screen saver at "gray hat" hosts who are open relays or something?
I agree 100%. I believe that I get to decide what is or is not "ok" traffic on my network. I define that in my AUP and customers agree to and understand that when they buy service from me.
My opinion (not that anyone asked) is retaliation is childish and unprofessional. I remember the Internet before Spam,
Also agree 100%. If there is traffic hitting my network that I don't believe is "ok" then I can choose not to carry that traffic on my network. It doesn't give me the right to attack the originator of that traffic or the person that I "believe" to be the originator of that traffic. That's why I am a very firm believer in the power of "ip route x.x.x.x y.y.y.y null0" command. :) Makes the problem go away for me (for the most part) and doesn't cause anyone else any pain as a result except my customers, who agreed to let me use that power when they purchased service from me.
botnets, DDOS, etc. and dream of a day when these are "under control" again just as much as the next geek. However, stooping to the level of the miscreant is not the answer to the problem in my opinion.
Justin Ryburn justin@ryburn.org
"Dance like nobody's watching; love like you've never been hurt. Sing like nobody's listening; live like it's heaven on earth." -- Mark Twain
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