0cO1Y0Fl1dhqFWi+FMxR9Pw3YLYglVY1oPviKgcyF6gOTU5HhCD48U99vkPOSjK0+0nmdkzHDi0u7xJs 6nYdROWlYg4TNObJDhfl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:c ontent-type:references; b=OLZGKdAZzmiVFJ2Gdkb0gi/cl1q8Yck+B0fK/3IP3J06qul87mByzV/ZUphsIL4fJgjlOs wsNL3hxtrpM/859+kp6fD4CtI0gSu3R5An3jkfm/tjdSQ7yLuSUHzl3MBuu8RADbSppawX3058KmDoA3 TI7o8XFYxpathOqV4R+xc= Received: by 10.82.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr1499818bue.1184301151879; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.172.9 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7bb79a490707122132j66ad5f23me1d7d13fc3973392@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:32:31 -0400 From: "micky coughes" <coughes@gmail.com> To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com> Subject: Re: peter lothberg's mother slashdotted Cc: nanog@nanog.org In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0707122335270.600@clifden.donelan.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27902_13623940.1184301151803" References: <12997.1184264272@sa.vix.com> <20070712133910.B8475@sprockets.gibbard.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707122342300.29164@uplift.swm.pp.se> <4696AB85.1030407@inoc.net> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707130039220.29164@uplift.swm.pp.se> <4696B668.2080807@inoc.net> <4696C8DA.3070101@bogus.com> <4696D017.7010100@inoc.net> <7bb79a490707122006g767c3d42u88e84d5782545355@mail.gmail.com> <Pine.GSO.4.64.0707122335270.600@clifden.donelan.com> Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu Precedence: bulk Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu X-Loop: nanog X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mozart.merit.edu X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090209.46970152.0044:SCGAP167720,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=198.108.1.26, so=2006-09-22 03:48:54, dmn=5.3.14/2007-05-31 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: NonJunk X-UID: 54 ------=_Part_27902_13623940.1184301151803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 7/12/07, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
I can see that *everybody* is missing the point on Peter's exercise. Clearly this is to show to the telcos of the world that you can upgrade to a native IP infrastructure and absorb the existing transport into the router with a minimal effort. There was a post here from someone that was
that explained how simple it was. This is HUGE! This has the
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, micky coughes wrote: there potential to
completely disrupt telco transport dinosaur groups *and* reshape the future. Taking it to his mom's house is just a poke in the telco eye, he is making fun of them. This then begs the question why can they do it between their facilities? If one guy can do it to a *house* it must not be that hard. However, telcos with transport groups of 1000s can't pull this off, this little project states volumes.
Anyone can buy CRS-1 from Cisco. All you need is money.
Busting out my handy dandy cisco configuration tool I can see that this is a very expensive CPE solution. This exercise cannot be about last mile delivery, thinking so is foolish. Given that and moving the technology to the core it becomes: Money + laying off thousands of worthless telco TDM transport people. The solution that is presented is to take an existing 10G transport DWDM network, remove transponders, replace with router gear instead of forklifting the end terminal systems. This is a viable model.
Why are you waiting for the telco's to do something?
I am waiting for them to go out of business so I can pick assets pennies on the dollar. Japan is spending over USD $30 Billion to bring 100Mbps to the most (but
not all) of their country. Verizon is spending about $23 Billion on FTTH to reach 18 million homes. CableLabs is hoping DOCSIS 3.0 will bring 400+ Mbps to the home without needing to replace the coax plant with fiber to the home.
You are confused and your argument is orthogonal. 40G home delivery is not currently an viable business model given the CPE cost. This is about upgrading your current transport from 10G to 40G with minimal cost and effort. For those that want 100G replace the handoff and incorporate the same or better modulation schemes. Welcome to the Bell 202 to Bell 212 upgrade. All you need is money. That is left as an simple exercise for the reader.
And to you obviously money is an infinite resource. ------=_Part_27902_13623940.1184301151803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline <br><br> <div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/12/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sean Done lan</b> <<a href="mailto:sean@donelan.com">sean@donelan.com</a>> wrote:</s pan> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0. 8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"><br>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, micky coughes wrote:< br>> I can see that *everybody* is missing the point on Peter's exercise. <br>> Clearly this is to show to the telcos of the world that you can upgrade to a<br>> native IP infrastructure and absorb the existing transport into th e router<br>> with a minimal effort. There was a post here from so meone that was there <br>> that explained how simple it was. This is HUGE! This has the potential to<br>> completely disrupt telco transport dinosaur gr oups *and* reshape the<br>> future. Taking it to his mom's hou se is just a poke in the telco eye, he is <br>> making fun of them. This then begs the question why can they do it between<br>> their facilities? If one guy can do it to a *h ouse* it must not be that<br>> hard. However, telcos with transpor t groups of 1000s can't pull this off, <br>> this little project states volumes.<br><br>Anyone can buy CRS-1 from Ci sco. All you need is money.</blockquote> <div> </div> <div>Busting out my handy dandy cisco configuration tool I can see that this is a very expensive CPE solution. This exercise cannot be about last mil e delivery, thinking so is foolish. Given that and moving the technology t o the core it becomes: Money + laying off thousands of worthless telco TDM trans port people. The solution that is presented is to take an existing 10G tra nsport DWDM network, remove transponders, replace with router gear instead of fo rklifting the end terminal systems. This is a viable model. </div> <div><br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0. 8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Why are you waiting for the telco's to do something?</blockquote> <div> </div> <div>I am waiting for them to go out of business so I can pick assets pennies on the dollar.</div><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0. 8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Japan is spending over USD $30 Billion to brin g 100Mbps to the most (but<br>not all) of their country. Verizon is s pending about $23 Billion on FTTH <br>to reach 18 million homes. CableLabs is hoping DOCSIS 3.0 will bring 400+<br
Mbps to the home without needing to replace the coax plant with fiber to<br>the home.</blockquote> <div> </div> <div>You are confused and your argument is orthogonal. 40G home delivery i s not currently an viable business model given the CPE cost. This is about upgrading your current transport from 10G to 40G with minimal cost and eff ort. For those that want 100G replace the handoff and incorporate the same or better modulation schemes. Welcome to the Bell 202 to Bell 212 up grade. </div> <div> </div><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0. 8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">All you need is money. That is left as an simple exercise for the reader.<br></blockquote></div>And to you obviousl y money is an infinite resource. <br>
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