Okay, I admit it. I joined this group after a copy of the Wired article about backhoes was forwarded to me. My friend forwarded it something as a joke, I believe...she certainly was surprised when I told her she had NO IDEA how bad that was, nor some of the OTHER reasons for interruption of service (shotgun, anyone?) I work in telephony network management/switch surveillance, and as the backhoes are surely a thorn in our sides (anyone know where I can get a T-shirt? Actually, about twelve of them...) I made the somewhat founded assumption that this was a somewhat like-minded group. However, I don't know the first thing about routers, LANs (other than when ours is down) or other COMPUTER Network related issues, I'm beginning to feel somewhat out of place. Does anyone know if there is a telephony network operators group out there? And how I could go about joining it? It's not that I don't like the company of you fine people, but I haven't the FOGGIEST idea of what the *HELL* you are talking about. And I really would dig being able to trade the sort of (obviously important, even to a computer network idjit like me!) information with people that speak MY language. Diana