......... Sean Donelan is rumored to have said: ] ] >Hello Alan - Here's a PARTIAL list of presentations we've planned so far: ] ] inform just those users affected why things aren't working. Any ] chance of wedging a "user information" field into the IPng ICMP ] destination unreachable message? It would be nice to tell the ] user in the ICMP message: "Beep BOOP BEEP, We're sorry your ] packet could not be delivered as addressed due to a ...." Instead Cool! I could really dig that. Pop the tcp stack to jive on a message, and the hubs and routers could determine the cause... Very nice. My telnet throws back a message via icmp that the site is unreachable becuase they don't know how to subnet and flap too much.. ;) Still doesn't change the fact that IPv6 will never solve any real problems. ] Since the 'net as a whole doesn't fail that often, but pieces ] of the 'net fail frequently, in-band notification isn't as crazy ] an idea as it seems. Hmm, how about this, any 'decent' ISP engages in a 'subscription' broadcast system, where each sites web site was decorated with a dynamic list of all significant outages? And if we, Global Internet/MIDnet go south, a nifty little modem dials up to DRA or MCI and spouts out our problem description, and this propogates to the group. I don't know the best way to make it happen, but I do think with some discussion and brainstorming we could make it work. Jonathon Heiliger (MFS) and I have been working on a draft of such a thing, and would appreciate some input. ] Any thoughts how to turn this into a presentation topic? This is a good way. Let's see if others are interested. I'll see you in San Diego, and if nothing else, let's sit down and talk. -alan