I have no issue with Ron's level of clue or his personal choice to block whichever domain, or blocks of IP space he wishes. That's one of the true beauties of the internet, we can all do as we see fit with out little corner of if. But it goes the same with who we choose to help or which mail systems we choose to use. Ron choose to set the tone, in his last email, I'll choose not offer assistance in the future unless it relates to my bits of the internet. No real issue here. -jim Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 08:25:20 To: <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: AS11296 -- Hijacked? On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 08:38:17AM -0300, jim deleskie wrote:
WOW full of yourself much. Many of us use gmail and others to manage the load of mail we received from various lists. I doubt we anyone needs your sympathies, Good luck getting assistance from the list in the future, but I doubt you need it, you see to be able to do everything on your own.
Ron is one of the most senior anti-spam people on this planet, and has long since demonstrated not only serious clue, but formidable research and analysis skills. You may safely trust that if he's made the decision to post a message like the referenced one in a public forum that he's done his homework. As to his decision to block Gmail (or any other freemail provider), everyone with sufficient knowledge in the field knows that these operations are prolific and habitual sources of spam (via multiple vectors, not just SMTP; Google accounts for more Usenet spam hitting my filters than all other sources combined). It's thus not at all unreasonable for some operations to revoke (some oor all of) their privileges by way of self-defense. So I think a better response would be to skip the snark and instead reconsider the decision to use a freemail provider for professional (outbound [1]) communications. ---rsk [1] Using one as a sink for mailing list traffic isn't an entirely bad idea; I do some of that myself. Those which provide POP/IMAP service make it relatively easy to do so -- although one should accept that they're, in general, not high-quality mail services, and that incoming mailing list traffic may variously be denied, lost, misclassified or otherwise not handled as expected.