Deja vu. This sounds amazingly similar to the thoughts running through many minds back in April 1992 when Uncle Sugar thunk up the Clipper debacle in an attempt to put the strong personal encryption genie back into the bottle. ;-) - ferg ps. Happy Dad's day. -- Henry Linneweh <hrlinneweh@sbcglobal.net> wrote: if the pro-ported bad guys are so swift why would they use anything packaged anyway? They have engineers and scientific minds in their ranks that understand devices, boards and the likes and could simply create their own data centers and simply use new protocols to communicate over the public lines and not one person would know the difference, all the laws in the world would not stop them, since US law doesn't apply to anyone but US citizens and most other nations could care less about what we imagine, contrive and go into hysterics about. -Henry -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net