Everything drops packets if you fill the buffers... Rate limiting vs Traffic Shaping is about intent and QoS in my experience. YMMV Deepak Jain AiNET -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Christopher J. Wolff Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:36 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Traffic Shape or Rate Limit Hello, I'm wondering what the list's opinions are on Traffic-Shaping vs. Rate-Limit for DIA customers (Frac DS3, for example). From what I've read, Traffic Shaping is a better option since it doesn't drop packets. Just curious as to what the opinions are. Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP, CIO Broadband Laboratories, Inc. http://www.bblabs.com email:chris@bblabs.com phone:520.622.4338 x234