I have a Frame connection between two sites, A and B. If the router crashes at B, wouldn't A still see the DLCI for B? Is there any scenario where this wouldn't be the case? If B gets blown off the map, shouldnt A's frame interface be in at least an up/down scenario? The only reason I ask is because AT&T has been working on a 17hr outage like this and they are focusing on the CO at site B. When I asked them how clearing up a CO issue would make the DLCI reaappear at site A, they didn't have a straight answer. In my particular case, the remote site B actually has a PVC to A and C and both of those are in a down/down....these are subinterfaces on DS3's with tons of other sites working properly. If the DLCI disappeared, doesn't that suggest that someone deleted the PVC? Any insights would be helpful.... Thanks, -BM PS It would be reasonable to interpret this *partially* as a rant. I'd really like to confirm the PVC vs CO scope of the problem though.