Hi John, No where in that email did I say Spamhaus was an American organization. So let's not be petty. As for Spamahaus' professionalism, I would be point that some organizations that use opt-in list still get hit by Spamhaus either because the end users complained after apparently 1. forgetting that they had opted into the list 2. or they changed their mind. Many of the biggest publishing houses now run their email operations overseas precisely because they are tired of dealing with Spamhaus complaints The question is how is to achieve accountability. I don't think volunteer organizations are ideal from an accountability point of view. Regards, Roderick S. Beck Hibernia Atlantic 30 Dongan Place, NY, NY 10040 http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com Landline: 1-212-942-3345 Wireless: 1-212-444-8829. rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com rodbeck@erols.com ``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein. -----Original Message----- From: John Levine [mailto:johnl@iecc.com] Sent: Mon 4/2/2007 3:03 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Cc: Rod Beck Subject: Re: redefining which infrastructure is the proble [was: Re: On-going ..]
I rarely post, but that is clearly a problem. The Americans seem to believe in the presumption of guilt and the infallibility of accusation. As an American born and bred I can hardly be accused of bias.
Clearly spam is a serious problem in terms of draining network resources, but organizations like Spamhaus don't even do an investigation.
Even if this were on-topic, don't you think it would a good idea to make at least a cursory attempt to get your facts straight? Spamhaus is located in the UK, I personally know multiple Spamhaus volunteers who spend vast amounts of time resarching their blacklist entries, and they put large dossiers on their web site to document them. ObOperations: Spamhaus publishes a drop list of IP ranges intended for your router that I heartily recommend. It is much smaller than their mail blacklist, chosen to include only network ranges with no socically redeeming value at all. R's, John Hi Joe, I know some organizations that use opt-in list and yet got complaints either because the end users complained after apparently 1. forgetting that they opted into the list 2. or they changed their mind. Many of the biggest publishing houses now run their email operations overseas precisely because they are tired dealing with Spamhaus. This e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may be proprietary and/or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, without the prior written permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately telephone or e-mail the sender and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of this e-mail, and any printout thereof. All documents, contracts or agreements referred or attached to this e-mail are SUBJECT TO CONTRACT. The contents of an attachment to this e-mail may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer system. While Hibernia Atlantic has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment