Martijn - 

Excellent insight.   To be fair, it would be best to if you were to subscribe to our arin-consult mailing list and express your views over there so you can be part of the discussion (as others there may have useful feedback or suggest alternatives that may sway your thoughts on how we should best proceed...) 

I’d prefer not to engage in a prolonged discussion here on the nanog mailing list, since not everyone here has a high interest in minutiae of ARIN’s services – essentially the same reason we have a dedicated list over at ARIN for consultation on proposed service changes. 

I will note your input whether you join us or not - Thanks again! 
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 8 Feb 2021, at 11:57 AM, Martijn Schmidt via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

Hi John,

Thanks for the answer. In that case I would recommend to continue providing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream beyond the system shutdown state, while continuing to allow for stale objects to be deleted: manually, or automated based on Whois-RWS OriginAS data, or automated based on IRR-online data, or automated based on RPKI ROA data. Ideally all four, especially the automated ones..

While September 2021 may seem a long time away, you'll probably still impact somebody that didn't read the mails by outright removing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream rather than working to clean it up.

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net / AS49544
From: John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
Sent: 08 February 2021 17:25
To: Martijn Schmidt <martijnschmidt@i3d.net>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)
 
Martijn - 

This does not affect entries in the ARIN’s Whois system so OriginAS fields are unaffected. 

The new IRR-online system was a clean slate when announced and all objects therein have been freshly created by the authorized party.   Folks with routing information in the unauthenticated email-IRR system have the option to port their data into the new IRR (see https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/ for details) until email-IRR shutdown at the end of September 2021.   Note that ARIN will not be porting that data. 

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 8 Feb 2021, at 11:10 AM, Martijn Schmidt <martijnschmidt@i3d.net> wrote:

Hi John,

What happens to the route objects (and for that matter the OriginAS field in the Whois-RWS system) that were created before the IRR-online service was launched? Are the route objects (and/or OriginAS fields from the Whois-RWS system) which were registered by ARIN members for their own directly allocated ARIN resources going to be ported along to the new system (e.g. not proxy-registered objects), or do we start with a fully clean slate where it is expected that everyone re-creates their route objects in the IRR-online service before the September 2021 deadline?

Best regards,
Martijn Schmidt
i3D.net / AS49544
  
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+martijnschmidt=i3d.net@nanog.org> on behalf of John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
Sent: 08 February 2021 16:57
To: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Internet Routing Registry folks - Important - (Fwd: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR)
 
NANOGers - 

If you make use of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR service or the NONAUTH data stream in your route filtering, please take note of the following ARIN consultation. 

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN <info@arin.net>
Subject: [arin-announce] Consultation Now Open on the Future of ARIN’s IRR
Date: 8 February 2021 at 10:46:18 AM EST

ARIN has been engaged in a multi-year project to create and deploy a new and improved Internet Routing Registry (IRR). On 10 June 2020 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20200610-irr/), we launched IRR-online, an authenticated and web-based service designed to make it simple for users to publish routing information via ARIN’s website. At that time, the existing IRR-email system was temporarily left in place to allow organizations to continue using email-based updates to publish routing information (in the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream). 

On 1 February 2021 (https://www.arin.net/announcements/20210201-rn/), we deployed a RESTful API to provide a way to securely automate updates to objects in ARIN’s authenticated IRR service.

With the availability of automation for ARIN’s new IRR system, we intend to retire ARIN’s previous non-authenticated, email-based IRR service at the end of September 2021. We are providing advance notice of this plan so that organizations using the non-authenticated and email-based IRR will have time to switch publication of their routing registry information to a more current solution. Similarly, by establishing a firm end date for the non-authenticated and email-based IRR, organizations making use of the outdated and non-authenticated IRR data stream can be ready for when ARIN ceases publishing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream.

The authenticated IRR is available to all ARIN resource holders that have resources covered by a signed Registration Services Agreement (RSA) or Legacy Registration Services Agreement (LRSA). Organizations with resources not currently under an RSA/LRSA that wish to use the authenticated IRR may contact ARIN’s Registration Services Department for assistance with bringing those registrations under an RSA/LRSA. 

We recognize that this change will have significant impacts on our customers and, as always, we’re interested in your feedback regarding this proposed transition. In particular, we would appreciate hearing from the ARIN community regarding these aspects of the proposed transition:

1. For those using ARIN’s email-based and non-authenticated IRR system, does the proposed shutdown date of 30 September 2021 provide sufficient time for migration to another IRR system?

2. For those making use of the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream, is there any reason to provide this information beyond the system shutdown date?

The community feedback provided during this consultation will help inform how we move forward. Please provide comments to arin-consult@arin.net. You can subscribe to this mailing list at:

http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult

This consultation will remain open through 5:00 PM ET on Monday, 8 March. 

Regards,

John Curran  
President and CEO  
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)