I think there was a discussion on NANOG sometime earlier this year about how negligent it was of operators to oversubscribe the way they do. Now the sentiment in this thread is to push peak speeds above all else because no one uses it anyway, so let's get this microbursting out of the way. Can't have it both ways. Well, without being wasteful. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: aaron1@gvtc.com To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "Mark Tinka" <mark@tinka.africa>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 3:40:14 PM Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections If 2 people use it at the same time, do they call in with a trouble ticket that they didn’t get their contracted bandwidth? From: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 11:45 AM To: aaron1@gvtc.com Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa>; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: New minimum speed for US broadband connections That is true, but if no one uses it, is it really gone? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: aaron1@gvtc.com To: "Mark Tinka" < mark@tinka.africa >, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, June 1, 2021 11:18:53 AM Subject: RE: New minimum speed for US broadband connections Yeah I thought gpon was 2.4 ghz down and 1.2 ghz up... so you could only honestly sell (1) 1 gbps symm service via that gpon interface correct? (without oversubscription) I think ng-pon(2), xgs-pon and other variants allow for much more. -Aaron