On Sat, 4 May 2002, Forrest W. Christian wrote:
On Sat, 4 May 2002 measl@mfn.org wrote:
How about something along the lines of dial accounts having their outgoing SMTP connections rate limited to, oh, let's say 100 per day, and limiting the maximum number of recipients on any given email to some low number, say 5?
A customer reaches the limit, the account auto-rejects all email for 24 hours.
Someone bitches? Let them buy full rate dedicated services, with the first month, last month, and a security deposit up front before service is established.
The problem with this is how do you enforce this across thousands of mail servers, controlled by many many different organizations?
Obviously, it is a self-enforcement issue, aimed at the ISPs who do sial services. I firmly believe that if we could control the dial accounts in this respect, we'd wipe out a very large portion of the problem children The incentive to the ISP is obvious: $19.95 throw away accounts (which are likely not paid anyway) disappear, their SpamCop nightmares disappear, and the legitimate mass mail customer pays for commercial services.
I'm not saying the pay-per-message option is perfect.
I am a fan of micropayments in theory, but I do not believe that they can ever be applied to email, attractive though it may be. Since I don't believe it's really possible, I choose not to burn cycles on it. <snip>
The bottom line is that in my opinion people need to give up *something* for the privlege of sending mail.
Agreed: to send it for free, they lose the right to do it in significant volume.
I suggested a couple of cents per message. Others reject this as "it will destroy the net". Camram requires people to give up CPU cycles. This might be an easier thing to swallow.
Possibly, but I doubt that you can explain this to Joe and Jane Sixpack.
Passing laws and putting on filters don't work.
Amen.
Depending on each mail server admin to do the right thing doesn't work.
The problem here is defining "the right thing", no?
We need to find something else that will.
Agreed.
- Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE
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