Brielle Bruns wrote:
Problem is, there's no financial penalties for providers who ignore abuse coming from their network.
DNSbl lists work only because after a while, providers can't ignore their customer complaints and exodus when they dig deep into the bottom line.
We've got several large scale IP blocks in place in the AHBL due to this exact problem - providers know there's abuse going on, they won't terminate the customers or deal with it, because they are more then happy to take money.
Legit customers get caught in the cross-fire, and they suffer - but at the same time, those legit customers are the only ones that will be able to force a change on said provider.
They contact us, and act all innocent, and tell people we're being unreasonable, neglecting to tell people at the same time that the 'unreasonable' DNSbl maintainer only wants for them to do a simple task that thousands of other providers and administrators have done before.
I know it's akin to Apples and Oranges but maybe a "network forfeiture" (http://www.lectlaw.com/def/f054.htm) clause be drafted. Surely there should be no outcry for stating: "If your network is dirty, its gone including all your equipment" I wonder how fast some network operators would have their networks. Again, re-visiting re-hashed threads: http://www.mail-archive.com/nanog@merit.edu/msg50472.html (http://www.mail-archive.com/nanog@merit.edu/msg50472.html) Surely a vast majority have to be tired of the garbage coming from your own networks and others. I can tell you I'm tired of my phone ringing because some tollfraudster keeps thinking he's making uber calls when he's stuck in one of my honeypots. -- =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP, CPT "It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently." - Warren Buffett 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA 4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5CCD6B5E