...not to mention that all mature networks are moving more towards GUI front ends for their automated network. As the complexity of a network increases, CLI access becomes considerably more risky.
The idea that "real engineers use the CLI" is dinosaur thinking that will eventually land those with that philosophy out of a job. Just my personal $.02 (though I'm certainly not alone in my opinion).
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I didn't mean to imply "real engineers use the CLI" only, but
that's the way you read it (perhaps others, too), so all good.
Definitely, there is no shortage of network engineering jobs for
those that mainly use CLI compared to those that use mainly/only a
GUI, at least as far as I have seen. The CLI works on all
networks, but a GUI is different in each network. As was
mentioned upthread, there is a place for a GUI. I am not implying
there is not a place for it.
I can't even begin to imagine trying to troubleshoot the complex
problems I deal with day-to-day on a GUI and I am on a medium
sized network compared to those on this list.
But I'd like to reiterate that the board's goal with modernization is not to alienate anyone from the existing community by forcing them into a web-interface. Discourse is under evaluation, and if it doesn't accomplish the goal we'll try something else or build our own tool.
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Thanks for that. I consider this list one of the most important tools I have for learning about networking.
scott
Dave
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 6:52 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 5:13 PM scott <surfer@mauigateway.com> wrote:
[...]Of course, one would
not find an HTTP GUI on the bigger networks dealt with on this list;
only on the tiny networks. So they're beginning learners and are, of
course, welcome. They will lean a lot, just as I did in the early days
and do every day now days.[...]scott
Let's see...Google: GmailMicrosoft: Hotmail/Outlook/Office365Yahoo/VerizonMedia: Yahoo Mail
I'd have to say, there's some pretty big networks on this list thatuse HTTP GUIs for their email.
Of course, you might be big enough that you look down on thenetworks of Google, Microsoft, and VZM as "tiny networks" -- inwhich case, you're definitely entitled to your opinion, as all 8000pound gorillas that look down on the puny 800 lb gorillas are. ;)
Matt