John, But mailop doesn't have the same odd mix of people as nanog. For example, I'm not on mailop. :) In any event, Nate specifically asked if other nanogers were seeing similar symptoms, which is an entirely appropriate use of this list. -mel On Aug 26, 2016, at 9:26 PM, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com<mailto:johnl@iecc.com>> wrote: In article <CALtoqtQkfEaDXnr1+4yzyDoyuweBG_+QyaQ7Ubhxtmv0JCnTmA@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CALtoqtQkfEaDXnr1+4yzyDoyuweBG_+QyaQ7Ubhxtmv0JCnTmA@mail.gmail.com>> you write: I was working within the limits of what I had available. Here's the subscription page for mailop. It's got about as odd a mix of people as nanog, ranging from people with single user linux machines to people who run some of the largest mail systems in the world, including Gmail: https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop R's, John